UNC & Bill Belichick Turmoil Recap with Pat Welter on the Dan Patrick Show

Bill Belichick sold his UNC football program as the "33rd NFL team." Through five games as a college football coach, the Tar Heels rank 128th in points per game out of the 136 NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) teams. Pick a stat right now, it's not good. A 38-10 loss to Clemson on Saturday was Carolina's latest embarrassment. A few weeks earlier, the stadium and student section were buzzing and brimming with optimism. Saturday versus Clemson, the stadium began to empty at halftime.
Posted 10/10/2025, 5:09:16 PM Updated 10/10/2025, 6:00:10 PM

We make the segue into the situation with Bill Belichick

at North Carolina

Pat Welter has done a wonderful job

Uh he's all over this story

He's a sports anchor WRALTB in Raleigh North Carolina

Pat how would you sum up what's happened the last

couple of days here with Bill Belichick and North Carolina

football Yeah uh Dan it's an honor to be on

with you guys today

Happy birthday to to Todd Fritz and It's been a

whirlwind

Um you know I felt like we were ready to

break the story as recently as Friday Dan uh before

the Clemson game uh and we made a decision to

to wait a couple more days and I think that

was instrumental in allowing our reporting to kind of Start

the the the avalanche of information that's come out

Um you know I was able to speak to a

lot of sources at the Clemson game and that's when

I really knew I had something Dan was when there

was sources I've had relationships with for years on this

story

When I was just walking around meeting people

With direct knowledge of the program that I had no

relationship with and they were immediately volunteering information to me

Things like from a parent my son has no idea

what's going on

It is a complete mess

So that's what we've reported and we're seeing the fallout

of it since and we're seeing UNC make direct action

after some of the things that have come out

OK but where are we today with this story So

yesterday kind of the development was we're coming off this

statement right We have this statement that comes out uh

late the night prior and it's very brief and it

comes from Baba Cunningham and it comes from Bill Belichick

basically saying Belichick's committed to UNC football and UNC athletics

is committed to him

And this was on the heels and based on conversations

I had yesterday with sources multiple levels UNC decision makers

They wanted to calm the noise

They wanted to calm what they referred to as rumors

and those rumors were related to uh 247 Tar Heel

sports uh report about there being exit strategy conversations and

other reports of Bill Belichick looking into triggering his own

contract

Now I spent basically all day on the phones trying

to run this down and I think it's clear I

think it's important to note that I was told by

multiple levels of UNC decision makers and my colleague Brian

Murphy that there were no exit strategy conversations that there

were no conversations of Bill triggering his own buyout

But I have to acknowledge right that that does not

mean necessarily that that did not happen

Like I'm not in those rooms

These are what these people are telling me they're all

telling me the same thing

So there's no obligation I think to report it in

fairness but I think you also have to acknowledge there's

a gap there

We can only know so much and I respect uh

Andrew Jones who had that report so I think you

have to just take the information and sort it out

with what you know and and what you wanna believe

Is Bill Belichick coaching North Carolina against Cal a week

from Saturday I can't tell you I can't tell you

I just know that this has escalated day by day

and I would say hour by hour

Uh it's to be quite literally Dan minute by minute

I'll tell you this morning uh I sent an email

to UNC Athletics trying to get confirmation of a player

to see if he was still with the program

An hour later the player I asked about has a

graphic ready to go on social media that's just broke

from running back Caleb Hood

After much thought prayer and discussion with my family I've

decided to retire from football

My journey at UNC has been special and I appreciate

my time here

You can look on on social media if you want

to see that full statement

That is the player I asked about because of the

tip that I got there

Ironic in a way Dan because this season if you

remember that first game versus TCU there was that one

moment where everyone all the hype all the buzz which

was so real right This was incredible

Carolina drives down their first possession of the season

Caleb Hood scores the touchdown the place goes bonkers

Skip Bayless had some tweet about it being amazing

I know I I was like this guy's Nick Saban

I'm like he's gonna do it

They're doing it you know and uh it has been

downhill ever since and uh it's it's fitting poetry that

I think now Caleb Hood after this week is leaving

the program and obviously I'm gonna look into more as

to why but I think just kind of that paints

a picture for you where we're at

I don't know what role the media played in this

The national media in hyping this up

It's Belichick it's North Carolina

It's the ACC it's not the SEC or the Big

10

Um certainly can win more than Mack Brown does when

Mack would win 6 games

Occasionally he'd win you know a few more and go

to a bowl game there

But I locally did you guys have the same expectations

as maybe the national media had on Bill Belichick Yeah

we're we're all complicit in this in a way right

And and I really don't fault

I my point of my story was never to fault

the people that decided to hire Bill Belichick

I think you could certainly make an argument they should

have vetted this more right Because they have access to

that information that nobody else has during their hiring process

But yeah I think we're all part of the hype

you know and how could you not be This is

an incredible story

This is the story of my of my lifetime

It's certainly the biggest thing I've ever covered and I

grew up in New England

I'm from Londonderry New Hampshire

As a student at Emerson College I got to go

to the Super Bowl versus the Giants

I asked Bill Belichick a question at the Super Bowl

and then for me to come to Carolina

And then for him to end up here and I'm

covering him breaking news about his hiring process after Matt

Brown was fired around Thanksgiving which is really when this

all started for me

Um it's been a trip so I think you know

I've tried to just kind of I tell people I'm

trying to bring the same energy and the same passion

and same disciplined reporting

That I did to the hiring process that I did

to the excitement and to the fun and what I'm

doing right now to I guess if you want to

call it downfall but uh there's no there's no agenda

here

I'm just trying to tell people what I know

I've been covering this team for 4+ years

I know a lot of people and people are very

very upset

And when you look at the results on the field

when you're gonna be the highest paid employee in the

state

And you're gonna be one of the worst teams in

all of college football

That's not me saying that Dan that is statistical fact

Completely uncompetitive in power for games

120 to 33 is the scoring differential

People deserve to know what's going on and why and

I think our reporting has shed a light on that

If I gave athletic department a do-over you keep Mac

Brown

What would they do I think Macro I think really

it's diammetric right the difference between Mac Brown

Yeah and in some ways that's what they were seeking

because you know Matt Brown came here 2nd stint in

Chapel Hill

So respected national champion University of Texas has had some

of the best seasons Carolina football has ever seen

Means a lot to this state means a lot to

this community and he treated people as such uh and

he welcomed the media as such

But I think if you were gonna criticize them you

look at the downfall of Matt Brown was James Madison

last year where they gave up 70 points inexplicable

Then they go on the road lose to Boston College

in a If I'm allowed to say a kind of

uninspired performance at a minimum and that was the nail

in the coffin for Rack Brown and his time here

and you know it was honestly probably time to move

on

They had tapped out so what they wanted to do

was take another step

Everybody knows like in the world of conference realignment you

have to be all in on football

You can't be just a basketball school

So everything for Carolina was well-intentioned in bringing Bill Belichick

in

It's just has gone spectacularly wrong in ways that I

don't know that anyone really could have foreseen

Does Belichick have any media availability coming up aside from

game days Yeah it's been both convenient for him and

maybe convenient for us uh reporting on this as well

that this came as a bye week uh and it

was a bye week before Clemson as well and I

think that's allowed me to do a lot of work

um cause like I I've been working on this since

the spring band like that's when the tip came in

and I I I've been just running this down until

I thought I had it

Uh he is a media availability on Monday um I'm

gonna go

That's gonna be an interesting experience for me

Um I'm certainly gonna try to ask a question you

know I I've been coordinating with UNC trying to work

with them throughout this when I have information

I'm not breaking it until I run it by them

for a chance to respond

Uh and and we're working on that right now

We have a story that we were ready to break

yesterday

And just to give you an example of how strange

this is Dan

I'm at the point now where I can't even assume

the people I am texting and calling are the people

that they say to be

That's all I can say but at this point now

like I am questioning like that's not the level we

are at because inside the building in Carolina they know

there's a leak they're trying to find it and I

am kind of ears and eyes wide open to really

everything and anything at this point but I could tell

you that our reporting directly led to the suspension of

assistant football coach Armand Hawkins

And our continued prying into that story led to the

statement and the official confirmation from UNC on his suspension

yesterday afternoon and there's a key piece in their statement

that they say he will remain on leave as the

Department of Athletics further investigates other potential actions detrimental to

the team university

Those are what we are looking into

So that's all I can share at this moment but

I think there's more stories to come

OK

Uh good luck with that

And trust your gut trust your instincts but man you

know nail it down nail it down because there this

is serious stuff

But it hey that's why we do this

When you get these opportunities go for it

Yes sir

I appreciate that and uh this means a lot being

on here with you

You're one of the reasons I do this so I

really appreciate the opportunity

Thank you Pat

Good luck

That's uh Pat Welter W R A L TV sports

anchor Raleigh North Carolina

Yeah all of a sudden you get a tip then

you get in and then all of a sudden you're

in and then you start to find out more and

more and that's when people start questioning your reporting you

know you're local why aren't you on our team Why

don't you support the team Like there's a lot of

things that go on when you do local reporting especially

at a university whether it's a you know high-end basketball

or high-end football

Hey we're all in this together

Why are you uh you know reporting negative stuff But

you got to hold true to what you're doing

And uh you know hopefully Pat has that opportunity